The timing isn’t great for me (3-6 am), but I hope some people are able to take this opportunity and share what they learned with the group.
Yeah same 9pm to midnight is really not ideal/workable for me these days, neither are 7pm to 10pm or midnight to 3am. I would have been really interested, although I wouldn’t have wanted to take a more legitimate person’s place. Hope we’ll be able to have someone, it’s really too bad all the timings are so awful outside of US and South America.
I’d be able to do the October 9th workshop if there are others!
I’ve heard pretty good things about AORTA.
I signed up for the first session on September 16 before seeing your post @psi! Unfortunately, September 16 works better for my schedule.
For this upcoming Thursday, following the momentum of Kielest, and other great fantastic conversations around sustaining and planning around commitments determined by the manifesto- i think it would be worthwhile to spend time on different ways of thinking about what is considered ‘design justice’ as a strategic guide to ground upcoming conversations. I have three items for us to go over, please feel free to look at all the media, or none, or one- whatever works.
First is a zine (short informational publication with mixed media) published by the Design Justice Institute entitled “Design Justice In Action” (2017). An additional piece I have to share with community is by Dr. Mariam Asad, PhD from Georgia Tech in Digital Media. She is a community organizer and also works with Sassafras Tech Collective- another platform Co-op, as an organizer/consultant- she also leads a confronting white supremacy in design reading group at Sassafras. I would like to sit with her article, "Prefigurative Design as a Method for Research Justice" during this session.
And to close it out- for us who love audio/visual, I am including this fantastic talk by Arturo Escobar, philosopher, on “Pluriversal Designing and the Re-Earthing of Cities”, sponsored by the School of Architecture at Cooper Union. 09.28.21 Arturo Escobar ft. WAI Think Tank: Pluriversal Designing and the Re-Earthing of Cities - YouTube
Im looking forward to this! See you all soon!
sorry for the delay! here are the notes from this last session. for those who want to read along but cant attend sessions feel free to make comments on the thread, i look forward to seeing everyone in two weeks.
Overview: Discussion on why texts were curated via Diane
“Humble yourself. Design with, not for.” and its relevance to Resonate’s relationship with Justifay
inclusive space with organization relationships, also need or question to define what exactly the community is
Through design, user design interface demonstrates itself as a site to undo what is actually accessible design versus what are ‘market demands’- iniatives that can strip away ‘user hostile’ elements. But how do we think through working on this via APIs DSP
Question: How do we think about social relations toward creating such openings that create the conditions for working with?
Time as an element- looking at Justifay meeting times as something to be adjusted to increase participation, timing- folks working and utilizing free time to work w/ Resonate (taking from social reproduction), taking this all into consideration when fostering space.
Pluriversity of everyday life, everyday temporality- a good pratical device to actually exercise how this strategy can be activated through just thinking about time and participation.
Looking at many ways of participating: meeting recordings, notes. Collaboratively generated documents.
Relates to concept of (g)local, embracing multiplicity of scales, spaces and timings.
Wish video annotation was easier.
Language translation as another space to think through social relations- thinking through English as the main language and what tools do we have at our disposal to have active translation and engagement- esp with language transcription.
Papad - Open Janastu as option
recap of Dweb in relationship to this conversation, in terms of fellows, accessibility and partcipation
transparency is important to accessibility
“transparency without curation is not valuable”
maybe the element of community is iterative in its becoming, constantly becoming against othering aspects, by consistenly including needs of communities
counterinsurgency- how do we build and sustain alternative models that other organizations could also apply- moving from theory to action?
Prefiguration or Reclaming social relations ?
chat from session:
han (he/him) says:inclusive design
rich says:echoes of pluriversality in our theory of communities?
rich says:thoughts of spotify’s arrogance (for rich… the dehumanization/medicalization of the algorithm)
rich says:interrogating the ‘newness’ of design justice principles
han (he/him) says:Appreciate it, Peter
diane e says:internationalism, globalism, capitalism- contradiction, as the foundation for socialist practice, tech of capitalism closes time and space for communication toward consciousness
rich says:evil google magic
han (he/him) says:I believe auto-generating captions is youtube’s killer app
rich says:Papad - Open Janastu
han (he/him) says:A CLI for Resonate would be really easy for coders to iterate upon
han (he/him) says:Carry these prefigurations forward?
diane e says:bicycle coops are doing better in nyc tho than the taxi one
diane e says:lol
han (he/him) says:Thank you, Diane
rich says:thank you
piper (he/him) says:Thank you!
han (he/him) says:I love the idea to take it public
Checking in to say howdy and looking forward to our next meeting tomorrow. We’ve worked through alot of material, so I figured I would share something easy but pertinent to how we are organizing here at Resonate. In particular, I am interested in talking about (histories) at resonate, narratives and legacy as we continue to build a new world against oppressive systems. Below is an episode from Tech Wont Save Us by Paris Marx called " How IBM Workers Took On Racism and Apartheid". Check it out directly from the website of the podcast: How IBM Workers Took On Racism and Apartheid w/ ann haeyoung - Episodes - Tech Won’t Save Us
I watched this talk and it was fascinating! Great suggestion
HI Everyone! thank you for such an awesome meeting! Below are the notes: note todays meeting went a bit under the time since we had just one general piece to go over. Im looking forward to 10/4. For folks who couldn’t attend feel free to contribute asynch- d
D: purpose of sharing podcast- how do we cultivate an activist institutional history that informs folks about contradictions in organizing at resonate in the past to serve further openings and shifts in culture for the future.
h: Tech companies have space of perception that allows for them to be seen as open/flexible, etc yet can still maintain cultures against change- case study w/ kickstarter, founders, things do not become revolutionary, but instead circular through rebranding
p: https://abolishsiliconvalley.com/ great text around tech doing things around optics and shareholders to feel comfortable. chomsky told them to not exist and they did not understand, total juxtaposition. folks at the workspace are ‘bought in’, the tech companies do not feel responsible for social change- including gentrification in the bay, complicit in displacement.
d: conversations around history and founders- although stories could be lost in the real time, we are still in the orientation and choices that they’ve made, and it is important to confront this.
p: information is being disseminated in various spaces, and in between discussions as well, and conversations around the ‘beginning’, particular positions as well and shifting responsibilities have been not archived.
h: very thankful that starting history was shared, very important to be able to look for it, and institutions attitudes toward change, or system change can be accessed if they only know how to look for it. communication is really important, and the tool is important, and it fits the need at the time, but these needs to do change, what happens to the data is important. ‘walled gardens’ on mattermost- things not so indexed, and this is also something to think about. institutional memory is more easily accessed via small groups/ voice, complicating relations in real time. notes around the amount of original ‘founders’ was super interesting- and again what is to be done with this information. information that is withheld, or forgotten does present a cultural barrier- where one feels like they dont have the ability to question or hold things accountable. def folks at resonate want more transparency
d: this speaks to how power is obscured in white supremacy as a culture
p: similar, obscuring of power is an issue with organizations, participated in alt group organizing and training where this was worked through. learned about how this is so engrained in structures, will share more in the future.
h: feels like it has to start from the base, not with abstract ideals, cant start with general terms of ‘fairness’ or equality- not an objective standard- morality as well, different connotation. important to start w/ experience and ground it- engage in processes of restorative justice as an alternative. assuming accountability mechanisms to materialize w/o setting intentions wont result in desired outcome. thinking around alternative does seem to be unthinkable for many people. the worst thing is to feel like things are in a natural state- instead of seeing outcomes as simple choices made that have created present conditions. v difficult to think through in various other contexts, union busting is stopped, leftist orgs are inward looking- basic levels of democracy, creating some social movement, things are still top down. solidarity and commiseration is the only way out to create equitable workspaces. how workers are treated and how they feel shapes the organization and can launch the organizing space, in a co-op one expects certain issues to happen less, but it is no ‘magic bullet’. but mechanisms should be there to resolve these issues. wonders if the space we are holding now for this has happened before
d: affirming h, we can bring this to other organizations to shift culture
p: there is a history of creating and adjusting toward decentralize power in the culture. and its important to highlight these experiences to make sure certain practices do not happen again
h: affirmed this, and perhaps there are different resonate experiences happening for members between forum, mattermost, and then also roles at resonate, devs, maintainers, smaller subgroups. the choices that happen in these smaller groups are transparent but w/o complication of intention. problem when ppl arent aware of structures of power. ‘you wouldn’t question it unless something went wrong’ how do we apply this to need?
d: how do we think about day to day choices that contextualize and materialize larger ideas and strategies
h: attended dev call, time feeling clear and able to contribute- imposter syndrome is real, so felt a bit jarring until later over time it became easier to contribute as a non dev, non tech even w/cursory understanding. but after felt validated. worry about /wasting ppls time’, but now feels endeared and is exciting to continue to learn
d: interesting to think about how spaces are cultivated and what type of knowledge is needed to participate
p: so important to remember that everyone should join dev calls, regardless of experience. continued space of learning and absorbing skills
These notes are amazing, @ode12. Thank you for sharing.
By the way I will try to attend the aorta.coop meeting on October 9th so that I can maybe share with @piper who attended the previous one and also report back at the dismantling white culture session and see if we can draw conclusions worth bringing to the coop from what we heard and learned. If anyone wants to also join at that meeting lmk, it’d be great to not go alone.
hey everyone this upcoming meeting 10/6 is going to be really hard for me to do as ill be traveling in different time zone- is anyone up for facilitation? We could also meet in 2 weeks and spend some time w/ what folks have picked up from the aorta meeting?
I’m happy to push things back two weeks, that will give me more time to aggregate my notes from the AORTA session I attended. Excited that @LLK is aiming to attend as well (and during very tricky hours given his timezone no less)!
I’m happy to take a break this week to recuperate.
When we say that a session has been “generative,” what does that mean? And where does that term come from?
I’ve heard the term generative art, so a generative discussion is one that generates a lot of ideas or connects a lot of dots. Does that resonate (pun intended) with you?
hahahaha yes, at the end of each session I usually find that we leave with additional ideas or ways of thinking about some items we’ve discussed.
i’m jodi. apologies for not having previously done a proper introduction.
still getting a sense of the forum. when is the next meeting?
This monthly is reoccurring bi-weekly, and since we’re missing the session this week the next meeting looks like it’ll be October 20th. The Calendar can be a little unintuitive in that for reoccurring events, it only shows the most immediate one. After that event occurs, it’ll create the next reoccurring event. Hope to see you there!
If you have any question regarding how you could get your bearings on the forum or get a sense of how the whole community function, and since there won’t be any Dismantling White Culture Session for a while, don’t hesitate to send a private message so that we can discuss things at your own pace in the meantime. I know others can offer (and some of them might have a better sense of where we’re at if for example, code is your primary focus) a similar kind of help but I don’t want to assume in their place so, on my end, just wanted to let you know it’s a possibility !
if it’s cool for me to participate as a newer person, i’d love to attend the October 9th and November 2nd AORTA trainings. i’ve known of AORTA for some time and met some of their founders years ago at a convening.
I think you’d be welcome sincerely, also, I think the participation is open to anyone so you don’t have to wait for our approval if you’re interested in attending ! But as for Resonate, it’ll always be more fruitfull to share together around the conclusions that each of us draw from these type of meetings. Very often, coming from different backgrounds and with different expectations mean that conclusions are differently appreciated so that’s always a bonus in my view. As a newcomer to the platform, you probably have very different considerations, and it’s always instructive to find out what someone new to this ecosystem is looking for when they join.